9 POINTS (CMAR)
there is no point from arguing with 'redblooded' americans here
as Raed says it should be called the snake's venom
now before you say anything you have to start with:
**Brief comments on 9 points:
1.condemmeing the 11/9.
1. Praising 9/11 usually starts an argument
2.denouncing islam & say its a retarded thing.
2. Denouncing radicalism is an issue; denouncing Islam is not
3.ignore the Israeili murdering of the palestinians &praise the israeili
democracy.
3. I/PC is not Iraq
4.criticise the palestinians for fighting for their freedom.
4. I/PC is not Iraq
5.dont mention the 4million palsetinians refugees cos they dont exist in the american media.
5. I/PC is not Iraq
6.condemm saddam's mass graves (which all of us were horrified to see them
before you say my dad lost his job because he was the manager of excution)
6. Praising Mass Graves usually starts an argument.
7.thank the americans for getting the hell out of iraq.
7. We haven’t left, yet
8.thank the americans for the new mass graves in falouja & other palces
8. There are few facts on Fallujah.
9.thank the american for 'liberation'
9. We made it possible for you to grab Freedom. Reach out for it, or not; this is your decision. Yes, it is important to us. It is far more important to you, and your children, and your children’s children—the future of Iraq.
by Max
Friday, April 16, 2004
Thursday, April 15, 2004
WE CONTINUE
It is difficult, it is discouraging. And, we continue. There are surprises and there are challenges. . .we continue. There are those who will hurt, and those who will watch, and we continue. There are murders, and mutilations. . .we continue. There are threats and actions. . .WE CONTINUE.
We have one hand tied behind our backs by convention; we drag the weight of morality; we face the liars, we pull the inactive behind us; WE. . . . . . . CONTINUE!!!
It is difficult, it is discouraging. And, we continue. There are surprises and there are challenges. . .we continue. There are those who will hurt, and those who will watch, and we continue. There are murders, and mutilations. . .we continue. There are threats and actions. . .WE CONTINUE.
We have one hand tied behind our backs by convention; we drag the weight of morality; we face the liars, we pull the inactive behind us; WE. . . . . . . CONTINUE!!!
ATTITUDE
I see the attitude. Sistani sends his people out to say one thing here, and another thing there. It clouds the water.
A few brave Iraqis dare to blog thoughts somewhat in sympathy with those who value freedom. A few brave Iraqis dare to make statements of support for what we are trying to accomplish.
A few not-so brave Iraqis dare to blog the repeated material of Al Jazeera, and the continuous support of the resistors. These are the people who were not so offended by the hatred toward ethnic groups or religious groups. After all, it wasn't these people who were as persecuted. It wasn't these people who were murdered by the thousands. But, it is people like these who wish to continue the horror, or go back to the horror. It's okay because it will not happen to them.
They want it back; they are working to have it back. The sneaky thing is that they may not get to perpetuate the old horror. There may be an entirely new horror. This time they may live under the thumb or such severe restrictions that they will wish to change. Too late.
It seems some people are fighting very hard to be oppressed. It seems others are not fighting but waiting.
Riverbend, in particular, seems to use her freedom of speech to perpetuate anything she can find which she thinks is damaging. . .and uses it. She's using freedom to fight freedom, and if she gets her wish she will never again be able to speak out against her fate--regardless of her plight. She will still have to puppet the words of her master.
She won't be able to go back; she will enter a new Riverbend era which she helped to craft. She has seen that her side requires the death of innocents, the multilation of bodies, the lies and the twisted truth, the threat, and oppression.
Riverbend is thirsty for yesterday, will drink the poison of today, and kill her future tomorrow. The pity is the she will help others to do the same. She will help to serve the poison.
I see the attitude. Sistani sends his people out to say one thing here, and another thing there. It clouds the water.
A few brave Iraqis dare to blog thoughts somewhat in sympathy with those who value freedom. A few brave Iraqis dare to make statements of support for what we are trying to accomplish.
A few not-so brave Iraqis dare to blog the repeated material of Al Jazeera, and the continuous support of the resistors. These are the people who were not so offended by the hatred toward ethnic groups or religious groups. After all, it wasn't these people who were as persecuted. It wasn't these people who were murdered by the thousands. But, it is people like these who wish to continue the horror, or go back to the horror. It's okay because it will not happen to them.
They want it back; they are working to have it back. The sneaky thing is that they may not get to perpetuate the old horror. There may be an entirely new horror. This time they may live under the thumb or such severe restrictions that they will wish to change. Too late.
It seems some people are fighting very hard to be oppressed. It seems others are not fighting but waiting.
Riverbend, in particular, seems to use her freedom of speech to perpetuate anything she can find which she thinks is damaging. . .and uses it. She's using freedom to fight freedom, and if she gets her wish she will never again be able to speak out against her fate--regardless of her plight. She will still have to puppet the words of her master.
She won't be able to go back; she will enter a new Riverbend era which she helped to craft. She has seen that her side requires the death of innocents, the multilation of bodies, the lies and the twisted truth, the threat, and oppression.
Riverbend is thirsty for yesterday, will drink the poison of today, and kill her future tomorrow. The pity is the she will help others to do the same. She will help to serve the poison.
FEAR FERTILIZER
Leaflets, messages, are floating around which threaten the people. They are warning the Iraqi people to stay in their homes. They are warning the people to stay away from the road to the airport, which is heavily traveled by Coalition forces. They are threatening any people who permit Coalition snipers the use of their homes.
If the enemy had sincere support, would they need to threaten? If they threaten, what do you do?
If you are courageous, you support the Coalition, you inform them and/or make your home available to them. Most would not be that courageous. If courage is weak, take your belongings and leave. Stay with family and friends. Tell no one and hope that your house is still standing; but, at least, you will be relatively safe.
The territory for the next firefight has been declared. You didn't declare it; those who want to control you and control/kill the Coalition declared it. See your future; see the past of your country. It's do as you are told or die.
In this situation, you have no control. Your home is in danger; your family is in danger. It doesn't matter if you back the Coalition, or the enemy; your house is in peril. Make your choice.
Leaflets, messages, are floating around which threaten the people. They are warning the Iraqi people to stay in their homes. They are warning the people to stay away from the road to the airport, which is heavily traveled by Coalition forces. They are threatening any people who permit Coalition snipers the use of their homes.
If the enemy had sincere support, would they need to threaten? If they threaten, what do you do?
If you are courageous, you support the Coalition, you inform them and/or make your home available to them. Most would not be that courageous. If courage is weak, take your belongings and leave. Stay with family and friends. Tell no one and hope that your house is still standing; but, at least, you will be relatively safe.
The territory for the next firefight has been declared. You didn't declare it; those who want to control you and control/kill the Coalition declared it. See your future; see the past of your country. It's do as you are told or die.
In this situation, you have no control. Your home is in danger; your family is in danger. It doesn't matter if you back the Coalition, or the enemy; your house is in peril. Make your choice.
USELESS NEGOTIATIONS?
"negotiations and discussions.. Am I wrong???!
Ays, if negotiations and discussions included two honorable parties, then it might be more worthwhile. That is not the case. In these negotiations, there are uni-lateral non-offensive declarations (on the part of the US.) If we were dealing with honorable enemies, it would include a cease-fire, a halt of shooting.
If the enemies fire, we fire back. There is considerable fire. If they had stopped firing, there would be silence. If they had been interested in negiotations, we would see a different picture. You can't negotiate with those who have no interest in compromise
Iraqataglance Comments
"negotiations and discussions.. Am I wrong???!
Ays, if negotiations and discussions included two honorable parties, then it might be more worthwhile. That is not the case. In these negotiations, there are uni-lateral non-offensive declarations (on the part of the US.) If we were dealing with honorable enemies, it would include a cease-fire, a halt of shooting.
If the enemies fire, we fire back. There is considerable fire. If they had stopped firing, there would be silence. If they had been interested in negiotations, we would see a different picture. You can't negotiate with those who have no interest in compromise
Iraqataglance Comments
AL JAZEERA
The photos of the dead children are circulating all over the net. It is unpleasant to view them, and it is difficult to think about the grief of the families.
Nevertheless, those pictures are propaganda. One of the children appears to be injured, not dead. Another baby it pictured several times, but switched from a blue cloth to a white cloth. Another baby appears to have been a stillborn, or a newborn, who had been dead much longer than the others.
One photo does not appear to be a child, or a woman; but, appears to be a young man. Since we have indication that there was an 11-year old with an AK47, who was guarding a clinic, it is possible that the young boy could have been carrying a weapon. It is likely that he was at the wrong place at the wrong time. But. . .Al Jazeera is not the most respected news outlet, and is the most suspected teller of twisted truth. Was the boy even dead? His color was good for a dead person.
Another boy appeared to have been dead; it (also) looked like he was in 2 photos. More assessment of the photos should be conducted and someone should come out with exactly what was in those photos. Al Jazeera claims approximately 200 deaths of women and children. There are photos of only several deaths of children and some of those duplicates, which are designed to give the impression that they are different children.
This is Al Jazeera in its typical mode.
The photos of the dead children are circulating all over the net. It is unpleasant to view them, and it is difficult to think about the grief of the families.
Nevertheless, those pictures are propaganda. One of the children appears to be injured, not dead. Another baby it pictured several times, but switched from a blue cloth to a white cloth. Another baby appears to have been a stillborn, or a newborn, who had been dead much longer than the others.
One photo does not appear to be a child, or a woman; but, appears to be a young man. Since we have indication that there was an 11-year old with an AK47, who was guarding a clinic, it is possible that the young boy could have been carrying a weapon. It is likely that he was at the wrong place at the wrong time. But. . .Al Jazeera is not the most respected news outlet, and is the most suspected teller of twisted truth. Was the boy even dead? His color was good for a dead person.
Another boy appeared to have been dead; it (also) looked like he was in 2 photos. More assessment of the photos should be conducted and someone should come out with exactly what was in those photos. Al Jazeera claims approximately 200 deaths of women and children. There are photos of only several deaths of children and some of those duplicates, which are designed to give the impression that they are different children.
This is Al Jazeera in its typical mode.
Wednesday, April 14, 2004
NO GOOD NEWS???
Well, there is good news. Sometimes, there is no point in promoting good news. It just puts the enemies on notice of where to strike. Repair a pipeline and tell; they want to blow it up. Repair a water line, they want to blow it up. Repair the electricity, they want to destroy it.
Your enemies don't want you to have the oil, the water, the electricity, or the POWER. They want the POWER so you do without. They want to win; innocents must INTENTIONALLY DIE!!
They want to own you and will do anything to accomplish it.
The good news is. . . .VOTE!
Well, there is good news. Sometimes, there is no point in promoting good news. It just puts the enemies on notice of where to strike. Repair a pipeline and tell; they want to blow it up. Repair a water line, they want to blow it up. Repair the electricity, they want to destroy it.
Your enemies don't want you to have the oil, the water, the electricity, or the POWER. They want the POWER so you do without. They want to win; innocents must INTENTIONALLY DIE!!
They want to own you and will do anything to accomplish it.
The good news is. . . .VOTE!
MY TERRORIST?
"MY TERRORIST IS YOUR FREEDOM FIGHTER!"
NO, not unless your freedom fighter is really fighting for your freedom.
In Iraq, the resistors are resisting the freedom of the people of Iraq, they are resisting safety and hugging terror, resisting calm and embracing oppression. They yell "OCCUPATION", while ignoring ORGANIZATION.
They are kidnapping civilians, treatening aid workers, dismembering bodies, and they want the POWER. If they get the power; YOU GET THE OPPRESSION. VOTE against oppression; VOTE FOR FREEDOM!
If you YELL . . .YES TO AMERICA, they shoot you.
"MY TERRORIST IS YOUR FREEDOM FIGHTER!"
NO, not unless your freedom fighter is really fighting for your freedom.
In Iraq, the resistors are resisting the freedom of the people of Iraq, they are resisting safety and hugging terror, resisting calm and embracing oppression. They yell "OCCUPATION", while ignoring ORGANIZATION.
They are kidnapping civilians, treatening aid workers, dismembering bodies, and they want the POWER. If they get the power; YOU GET THE OPPRESSION. VOTE against oppression; VOTE FOR FREEDOM!
If you YELL . . .YES TO AMERICA, they shoot you.
VOTE
My intention was for you, for the Iraqi people, for the huge SILENT MAJORITY. It wasn’t about me, or the US; it was about individuals who feel powerless when they can do something. The SILENT MAJORITY needs to VOTE. The people of Iraq need a voice to tell the world that this is IMPORTANT enough to VOTE.
Many blog comments are requesting the Iraqi People to please help. Suggestions have been made to tie ribbons around trees and various other means to let the world know you care about your freedom. VOTING FOR FREEDOM may be more than either or us suspects. It may be a new way to VOTE WITHOUT BULLETS, BOMBS, BLOOD.
Make it work for the good people of Iraq, make it work for the good people of the world. One man *can* make a difference; each of you already has made a big difference. Don’t stop short of the FREEDOM goal, VOTE, please! The only “thanks” necessary is for each Iraqi to begin a new and better life.
My intention was for you, for the Iraqi people, for the huge SILENT MAJORITY. It wasn’t about me, or the US; it was about individuals who feel powerless when they can do something. The SILENT MAJORITY needs to VOTE. The people of Iraq need a voice to tell the world that this is IMPORTANT enough to VOTE.
Many blog comments are requesting the Iraqi People to please help. Suggestions have been made to tie ribbons around trees and various other means to let the world know you care about your freedom. VOTING FOR FREEDOM may be more than either or us suspects. It may be a new way to VOTE WITHOUT BULLETS, BOMBS, BLOOD.
Make it work for the good people of Iraq, make it work for the good people of the world. One man *can* make a difference; each of you already has made a big difference. Don’t stop short of the FREEDOM goal, VOTE, please! The only “thanks” necessary is for each Iraqi to begin a new and better life.
SWING AND SPLIT!
I NEVER vote for one party...exclusively. Split the vote is my motto. When you pull the "party lever" (to me) it means you drank it all in, sucked it all up. The politicians calculate the Registered Republicans/Democrats; but, they can't calculate the cross-voters, the swing-voters. It keeps them on their toes.
And, I do believe in keeping them on their toes!
I NEVER vote for one party...exclusively. Split the vote is my motto. When you pull the "party lever" (to me) it means you drank it all in, sucked it all up. The politicians calculate the Registered Republicans/Democrats; but, they can't calculate the cross-voters, the swing-voters. It keeps them on their toes.
And, I do believe in keeping them on their toes!
Tuesday, April 13, 2004
MONs
Each time on of the Committee mentions this, it sounds like MONs. Something is very highly classified and appears to have come from the Clinton Administration, should have gone to the Bush Administration.
Ben Veniste and Fred Fielding (both) mentioned the MONs. They seem to be pushing for declassification and it sounds important.
The hearings still seem very partisan. I can only hope that when they are in closed session they are less partisan and more determined to straighten this out for the country.
The responsibility rests on the shoulder of all Congress, much of the Clinton Administration, and much of the Bush Administration. We don't know how far back it goes. Some of the problems resulted in the appearance of cures. I doubt all was cured and do have the opinion that we will be hit again.
Each time on of the Committee mentions this, it sounds like MONs. Something is very highly classified and appears to have come from the Clinton Administration, should have gone to the Bush Administration.
Ben Veniste and Fred Fielding (both) mentioned the MONs. They seem to be pushing for declassification and it sounds important.
The hearings still seem very partisan. I can only hope that when they are in closed session they are less partisan and more determined to straighten this out for the country.
The responsibility rests on the shoulder of all Congress, much of the Clinton Administration, and much of the Bush Administration. We don't know how far back it goes. Some of the problems resulted in the appearance of cures. I doubt all was cured and do have the opinion that we will be hit again.
THE WALL
For years, there was a "wall." The meaning of this is that there was a separation between the FBI and the CIA--they were not to act in tandem. The FBI was authorized to investigate criminal activities within the US, while the CIA was authorized to conduct activities outside the US. Neither was to cross the line; both were to act independently--in short, they were not permitted to coordinate their separate duties.
This was one of the things which hampered the intelligence which might have prevented 9/11. The fear was that the two powerful organization could work together to overthrow the government and the "wall" was intended to make it much more difficult. It was intended as a protection for the people; it turned out to be a hinderance in saving the people.
For years, there was a "wall." The meaning of this is that there was a separation between the FBI and the CIA--they were not to act in tandem. The FBI was authorized to investigate criminal activities within the US, while the CIA was authorized to conduct activities outside the US. Neither was to cross the line; both were to act independently--in short, they were not permitted to coordinate their separate duties.
This was one of the things which hampered the intelligence which might have prevented 9/11. The fear was that the two powerful organization could work together to overthrow the government and the "wall" was intended to make it much more difficult. It was intended as a protection for the people; it turned out to be a hinderance in saving the people.
ASHCRAFT
The long rumored story about Ashcraft changing to chartered planes v. commercial aircraft during the few month prior to 9/11 has been put to rest, fairly well.
The nature of the Att'y Gen.'s position should require him to use government aircraft rather than commercial. Ashcraft stated that for his personal and family flights, commercial aircraft were used, including a flight to Washington in early September.
I tend to believe that the rumor was a CT (Conspiracy Theory) that didn't work out.
The long rumored story about Ashcraft changing to chartered planes v. commercial aircraft during the few month prior to 9/11 has been put to rest, fairly well.
The nature of the Att'y Gen.'s position should require him to use government aircraft rather than commercial. Ashcraft stated that for his personal and family flights, commercial aircraft were used, including a flight to Washington in early September.
I tend to believe that the rumor was a CT (Conspiracy Theory) that didn't work out.
Monday, April 12, 2004
SALVOS: (from CMAR)
“First of all the coalition IS responsible for the chaos which is reigning in Iraq right now.”
We didn’t tell the Fallujians to call in the Syrians, Hamas, Hezbollah. We didn’t encourage Al Sadr to come back from his trip to Iran (with millions to pay off his band of scum.) We didn’t create Ansar Al-Islam, or Abu Abbas, we didn’t coddle the terrorists and welcome them to Iraq. We don’t want them there; it would be easier without them. Syrians, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iranians, Al Qaeda made the choice.
If the opposition did not fire another shot (IED, car bomb, RPG) there would be quiet. The opposition wants chaos, continues chaos, killing and kidnapping is part of it. They are killing civilians, intentionally. Terrorists like chaos. They are responsible for the chaos, we are responsible for some of the cure.
“Secundo: the US/UK and their "allies" who waged 2 ILLEGAL wars on Iraq should be made to pay for the reconstruction of the country's civil/industrial infrastructure which they so happily destroyed”
Nope. In 1991, Gulf I was legal, sanctioned by UNSC, supported by many countries in the ME (with funding.) The war was discontinued through the Cease-Fire Agreement in 1991—which Saddam violated 16+ times. Operation Iraqi Freedom can be considered as *ceasing* the Cease-fire, a continuation of Gulf War I. As Saddam said, “The Mother of All Battles Continues. . .” and it did. Consider no second war; therefore, no *illegal* second war.
Tertio: The Iraqi victims of war crimes committed by the US and the UK should seek compensation. (If Lybia was made to pay millions of Dollars for the Lockerbie victims(for which Lybians were probably not responsible) then the US and the UK should pay an equal amount for EVERY IRAQI who lost their lives during the US/UK aggressions and for every child who died during the criminal embargo.
Your first part is valid. If you can prove that the Coalition purposely killed a group of Iraqis (who are confirmed civilians), there probably will be compensation. There may be compensation for unintended deaths. There will be no compensation for the sanctions which Saddam caused, Saddam thwarted; no compensation for the starvation of children while billions were being bilked from the Iraqi people. They may be able to sue Saddam’s estate in the Iraqi Court system. Check your facts on the sanctions. Check your facts on Saddam’s wealth, during the time the Iraqis suffered.
“Quarto: Iraq's oil revenues are sufficient to give ALL Iraqis a very decent living (provided the US has not forced the puppet governing council to sign contracts which are against the interest of Iraq before the handover”
You really want to consider this, while not considering Saddam’s theft for decades? Okay, what is the Iraqi GNP? What was the Iraqi budget under Saddam? If we hadn’t done this, how would the Iraqis survive under the severe national debts and compensation for the wars Saddam conducted? How many billions for that? Any contract signed will result in funds for the Iraqis. Any changes may be negotiated by the elected government. But, you might find the contracts are good ones; the elected government might not want to change them. Plus, Iraqis will keep much more money under their elected government than with Saddam skimming from the top, the bottom, and the middle.
Cinco: Is an enormous truckload of camel dung. Hardly earns a response, except: while you are busy saying the US is splitting, you strike at the Kurds.
Sexto: A good idea. The UN and other organizations which routinely help to supervise elections would be very helpful to the Iraqis.
“First of all the coalition IS responsible for the chaos which is reigning in Iraq right now.”
We didn’t tell the Fallujians to call in the Syrians, Hamas, Hezbollah. We didn’t encourage Al Sadr to come back from his trip to Iran (with millions to pay off his band of scum.) We didn’t create Ansar Al-Islam, or Abu Abbas, we didn’t coddle the terrorists and welcome them to Iraq. We don’t want them there; it would be easier without them. Syrians, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iranians, Al Qaeda made the choice.
If the opposition did not fire another shot (IED, car bomb, RPG) there would be quiet. The opposition wants chaos, continues chaos, killing and kidnapping is part of it. They are killing civilians, intentionally. Terrorists like chaos. They are responsible for the chaos, we are responsible for some of the cure.
“Secundo: the US/UK and their "allies" who waged 2 ILLEGAL wars on Iraq should be made to pay for the reconstruction of the country's civil/industrial infrastructure which they so happily destroyed”
Nope. In 1991, Gulf I was legal, sanctioned by UNSC, supported by many countries in the ME (with funding.) The war was discontinued through the Cease-Fire Agreement in 1991—which Saddam violated 16+ times. Operation Iraqi Freedom can be considered as *ceasing* the Cease-fire, a continuation of Gulf War I. As Saddam said, “The Mother of All Battles Continues. . .” and it did. Consider no second war; therefore, no *illegal* second war.
Tertio: The Iraqi victims of war crimes committed by the US and the UK should seek compensation. (If Lybia was made to pay millions of Dollars for the Lockerbie victims(for which Lybians were probably not responsible) then the US and the UK should pay an equal amount for EVERY IRAQI who lost their lives during the US/UK aggressions and for every child who died during the criminal embargo.
Your first part is valid. If you can prove that the Coalition purposely killed a group of Iraqis (who are confirmed civilians), there probably will be compensation. There may be compensation for unintended deaths. There will be no compensation for the sanctions which Saddam caused, Saddam thwarted; no compensation for the starvation of children while billions were being bilked from the Iraqi people. They may be able to sue Saddam’s estate in the Iraqi Court system. Check your facts on the sanctions. Check your facts on Saddam’s wealth, during the time the Iraqis suffered.
“Quarto: Iraq's oil revenues are sufficient to give ALL Iraqis a very decent living (provided the US has not forced the puppet governing council to sign contracts which are against the interest of Iraq before the handover”
You really want to consider this, while not considering Saddam’s theft for decades? Okay, what is the Iraqi GNP? What was the Iraqi budget under Saddam? If we hadn’t done this, how would the Iraqis survive under the severe national debts and compensation for the wars Saddam conducted? How many billions for that? Any contract signed will result in funds for the Iraqis. Any changes may be negotiated by the elected government. But, you might find the contracts are good ones; the elected government might not want to change them. Plus, Iraqis will keep much more money under their elected government than with Saddam skimming from the top, the bottom, and the middle.
Cinco: Is an enormous truckload of camel dung. Hardly earns a response, except: while you are busy saying the US is splitting, you strike at the Kurds.
Sexto: A good idea. The UN and other organizations which routinely help to supervise elections would be very helpful to the Iraqis.
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